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Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by photomac » Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 12:19

In Australia the Kona EV is the "only" competitor to the Tesla Model 3 SR+ ( LEAF only 40kWh in Australia unfortunately ) I was hopeful the recent buyers may throw some light onto their urban range experience and country 110km observations. Even if SOC at A and B with time and distance a estimation can be made. Also note aircon off/on temperature outside too if using aircon.
The Kona offers some advantages over the TM3 SR+ hence my curiosity.
Thanks.
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by EVdownUnder » Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 19:46

I should pick mine up on the 6th of September. Ceramic Blue Kona Highlander.
As I am a full blown nerd, I will spreadsheet the "beep" out of that car. And share if anyone is interested.
As a field service engineer, my current average daily drive is spot on 100km.
I do drive like a grandma, my current consumption after 55000km from a 2018 Honda CR-V VTi-LS (1.5 litre turbo)(for sale by the way) is exactly 7.6L/100km, so I'm hoping to achieve the Kona's ~15kW/100km.
It will be hard though as my driving mix is more freeway than city, an advantage for an ICE but not for an EV.
By the way, the Kona has a much better range than the Tesla SR+ model 3 as Tesla is still quoting NEDC instead of the much more realistic WLTP. And I couldn't justify the $95000 of the LR.
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by reecho » Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 20:06

115Wh/km in the city and around 145Wh/km on the highway. My worst so far was 171Wh/km on an extended country trip with heavy rain, strong winds, standing water, elevation changes and mostly highway speeds.

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Post by EVdownUnder » Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 20:23

Wow! Impressive. Thank you for the numbers.
My first long trip on week 1 or 2 is 420km with no charge stop if possible. I guess if I stick to 100km/h I should be fine.
And the night in Echuca where they have Telsa destination chargers only. But according to many, they work on the Kona.
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by Spybo » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 07:31

Yesterday did 360 km 110-115 kmh freeway about 1hr each way, 105 kmh .5hr each way all with cruise on and quite a few hills up and down. the rest of the driving was city stop start traffic.
the trip included day and night driving with ac on 50% of the time and when i was home had averaged 14.2kwh per 100km
I'm sure with your driving habits you will easily exceed these numbers
Enjoy your car.
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by photomac » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 13:58

Thanks EVdownUnder and great stats reecho! More more more please! EVdownUnder I did find a TM3 SR+ driver on terrain similar from Perth to Busselton achieving 155Wh/km at 125kph with air-con.

https://insideevs.com/news/355390/video ... ange-test/
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by reecho » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 18:57

EVdownUnder wrote:
Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 19:46
I should pick mine up on the 6th of September. Ceramic Blue Kona Highlander.
As I am a full blown nerd, I will spreadsheet the "beep" out of that car. And share if anyone is interested.
As a field service engineer, my current average daily drive is spot on 100km.
I do drive like a grandma, my current consumption after 55000km from a 2018 Honda CR-V VTi-LS (1.5 litre turbo)(for sale by the way) is exactly 7.6L/100km, so I'm hoping to achieve the Kona's ~15kW/100km.
It will be hard though as my driving mix is more freeway than city, an advantage for an ICE but not for an EV.
By the way, the Kona has a much better range than the Tesla SR+ model 3 as Tesla is still quoting NEDC instead of the much more realistic WLTP. And I couldn't justify the $95000 of the LR.
Cheers,
Patrick
In Australia we still use NEDC unfortunately but it's useful to compare efficiency between models that have had the same testing...

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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by bladecar » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 20:28

On the subject of consumption, is there a best way to describe it.
15Kw/100Km or 225Wh/Km or something else.

I prefer 5.8L/100Km to Km/L or anything else.

Which consumption figure can we best get a feel for (there's a better way to say that but I can't think of it right now).

It would be good if we starting using the consumption method that is most informative and needs the least explanation when comparing things :)

Just an idea.

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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by photomac » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 22:11

Either method but familiarity breeds confidence. I have got use to kWh/100km as the “tank” range is easier to estimate
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by EVdownUnder » Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 22:42

photomac wrote:
Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 13:58
Thanks EVdownUnder and great stats reecho! More more more please! EVdownUnder I did find a TM3 SR+ driver on terrain similar from Perth to Busselton achieving 155Wh/km at 125kph with air-con.

https://insideevs.com/news/355390/video ... ange-test/
155Wh/100km at that speed and air-con is very impressive. It shows that the aerodynamic of a TM3 is significantly better than a Kona. I will test it all with the Kona starting on the 7th of September.
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by antiscab » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 09:30

bladecar wrote:
Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 20:28
On the subject of consumption, is there a best way to describe it.
15Kw/100Km or 225Wh/Km or something else.

I prefer 5.8L/100Km to Km/L or anything else.

Which consumption figure can we best get a feel for (there's a better way to say that but I can't think of it right now).
There's actually only a factor of 10 between the two types of measurement. Ie 150wh/km is the same as 15kwh/100km

Gotta love the metric system
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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by photomac » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 16:17

Spybo wrote:
Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 07:31
Yesterday did 360 km 110-115 kmh freeway about 1hr each way, 105 kmh .5hr each way all with cruise on and quite a few hills up and down. the rest of the driving was city stop start traffic.
the trip included day and night driving with ac on 50% of the time and when i was home had averaged 14.2kwh per 100km
Really useful data Spybo!
Thanks
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Post by reecho » Sat, 24 Aug 2019, 20:29

EVdownUnder wrote:
Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 22:42
photomac wrote:
Fri, 23 Aug 2019, 13:58
Thanks EVdownUnder and great stats reecho! More more more please! EVdownUnder I did find a TM3 SR+ driver on terrain similar from Perth to Busselton achieving 155Wh/km at 125kph with air-con.

https://insideevs.com/news/355390/video ... ange-test/
155Wh/100km at that speed and air-con is very impressive. It shows that the aerodynamic of a TM3 is significantly better than a Kona. I will test it all with the Kona starting on the 7th of September.
It may well be but that's a cost i'm prepared to pay for easier ingress/egress with the Kona...

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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by Bryce » Sat, 31 Aug 2019, 08:00

Oops, seems we have two threads converging on similar things!

Re-post below of my final entry in the 'Melbourne - Sydney - Melbourne in a Kona' thread to add to the Kona economy discussion.
Screen-shot from Kona below.
From the top:
Top line: return trip Canberra - Melb. 110km/h, heater on most of way. (3 degrees as I left) Comfort setting.
Second: Syd - Canberra in evening. 110km/h most of way, heater on most of way. Eco setting most of way.
Third: Canberra - Syd. 110km/h most of way, no heater. Comfort setting.
Fourth: Melb - Canberra. 110km/h most of way, heater for about 1/3 of time. Comfort setting.
Last line: suburban driving in Melb. Comfort setting.

For the third line (Canberra-Sydney): not sure if it was the no heater, downhill a lot of the way or the Eco setting that did the most for the improved economy on that run.

Will do some experimenting on the run around Victoria in 2 weeks time.

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Re: Kona EV Real World Range Experience

Post by Peter C in Canberra » Sat, 31 Aug 2019, 08:16

Bryce wrote:
Sat, 31 Aug 2019, 08:00
...Second: Syd - Canberra in evening. 110km/h most of way, heater on most of way. Eco setting most of way.
Third: Canberra - Syd. 110km/h most of way, no heater. Comfort setting...
In two most recent cars, plug in hybrid Volt and petrol VW Golf, I have always had about that ratio of 'fuel' consumption on Canberra->Sydney vs Sydney->Canberra trips, which I attribute to the 600m height difference.
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Post by photomac » Sat, 31 Aug 2019, 09:19

Bryce wrote:
Sat, 31 Aug 2019, 08:00
....
Will do some experimenting on the run around Victoria in 2 weeks time.

Cheers
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Bryce! Brilliant posting. Thank you!
I took delivery of Kona yesterday. Heading to Kalbarri tomorrow with stopover in Geraldton as we can.
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Sunday 1st Perth to Geraldton, heading north with NW headwind of 35-50kph torrential rain trying to hold 100kph. Sep 2nd was Geraldton to Kalbarri
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Post by photomac » Sat, 07 Sep 2019, 12:39

Driving around Kalbarri, long inclines, 4 people. 90kph.
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Post by Xap » Sun, 08 Sep 2019, 21:06

EVdownUnder wrote:
Thu, 22 Aug 2019, 19:46
I should pick mine up on the 6th of September. Ceramic Blue Kona Highlander.
As I am a full blown nerd, I will spreadsheet the "beep" out of that car. And share if anyone is interested.
As a field service engineer, my current average daily drive is spot on 100km.
I do drive like a grandma, my current consumption after 55000km from a 2018 Honda CR-V VTi-LS (1.5 litre turbo)(for sale by the way) is exactly 7.6L/100km, so I'm hoping to achieve the Kona's ~15kW/100km.
It will be hard though as my driving mix is more freeway than city, an advantage for an ICE but not for an EV.
By the way, the Kona has a much better range than the Tesla SR+ model 3 as Tesla is still quoting NEDC instead of the much more realistic WLTP. And I couldn't justify the $95000 of the LR.
Cheers,
Patrick
How was the car pickup? And how are the spreadsheets going?

I've had my Kona Highlander since 13th July, and already clocked up 2800 kms, driving around Sydney to check in at as many charging stations as I can on Plugshare! I've got some basic numbers, but was a bit too lazy to fire up the spreadsheets. Not nerdy enough I guess?

My goal is to visit as many NRMA Fast Chargers as possible. Doing the ones closest to Sydney, and working my way out.
Sydney to Wallsend (Newcastle) 150 kms one way. Used 35%
Sydney to Mittagong - 200 km round trip - used 28% going there, 16% coming back (Mittagong is approx 700 m elevation, and was battling very gusty headwind)
Sydney to Lithgow - 130 km going there - 32% used (drove B59 road via Bilpin). Charged up to 87%, went back via Katoomba. But this was the exciting part. From Katoomba to the start of the M4, the car used a total of 1% charge! I usually drive in Eco mode with level 3 regen. 50 kms travelled on 1%. So efficient! Arrived home with 73% SoC.

My next experiment this coming weekend is to drive Sydney to the NRMA Fast Charger in Jugiong and back. Round trip of 700 kms, about 9-10 hours with charging times. Planning on leaving with 95% SoC, quick top up in Mittagong, and continue on. I'm really excited to see how well the car performs, and nervous because of the unknowns (will the chargers be occupied/working - will I have to travel at lower speeds to get as much range as possible).

Overall I am averaging 12.9 kWh/100km.

Am loving this car, and given the choice, will never buy a fossil again!

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Post by Peter C in Canberra » Mon, 09 Sep 2019, 06:34

Xap wrote:
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... drive Sydney to the NRMA Fast Charger in Jugiong and back....
At least two good options for lunch in Jugiong. Bring your granny charger and an extension cord. You can use the 10A socket in the toilet block in the park, if all else fails. ;)
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Post by Xap » Mon, 09 Sep 2019, 07:19

Peter C in Canberra wrote:
Mon, 09 Sep 2019, 06:34

At least two good options for lunch in Jugiong. Bring your granny charger and an extension cord. You can use the 10A socket in the toilet block in the path, if all else fails. ;)
Way ahead of you there Peter! I've got the granny charger, a 15 amp charger, and 5 pin single phase charger! Ready for all possibilities.

Which options do you recommend for food in Jugiong? Am travelling in the afternoon so it will be a late lunch.

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Post by Peter C in Canberra » Mon, 09 Sep 2019, 07:28

Xap wrote:
Mon, 09 Sep 2019, 07:19
Which options do you recommend for food in Jugiong?
Both the Long Track Cafe and the pub next door are good.
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Post by Mrburns » Mon, 09 Sep 2019, 16:44

Wife’s trips driving to work and back, mix of speed depending on traffic. Mix of motorways and suburban streets dropping kids off at school daycare ect on her way.
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Post by photomac » Tue, 10 Sep 2019, 09:36

The long journey on this screen is Kalbarri to Perth. 1 hour top up in Geraldton using 7.2kW AC while having breakfast. 50mins top up in Jurien Bay at Caltex using the generously “donated” SETEC at 36kW. The range-o-meter to destination started at 100km leaving Jurien and ended up at 60km as a stiff headwind kicking off part way. From my first country sojourn allow 19kWh/100km sitting at 100kph
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Post by EVdownUnder » Tue, 10 Sep 2019, 20:09

Got it ! Picked it up last Friday late afternoon, unfortunately just before a rotten weekend in Melbourne. And as irony would have it, my number plate ends in BP and the floor protection when I picked it up is sponsored by Caltex... To top this, LeasePlan followed there procedure to the letter and sent me 2 fuel cards ??? Good on them.
It took me some time to come and share the good news as I was too busy sitting in it marvelling at the future (and playing with the settings).
It really feels like being in an episode of Star Trek. This is my first EV and it is as exciting as I was anticipating. The torque, void of noise is mind-bending.
I've only got 280km on the clock so far so too early for spreadsheets just yet. Especially as I can't stop telling people that I just bought and EV, and as I know an abnormal number of nerds, they invariably want a ride, and invariably want to drag race anything on 4 wheels. I know it's just a Kona, but for EV novice the Kona torque is already grin inducing.
But I can already see that in Melbourne, travelling 50/50 highway/other, 12-13kW/100km is totally realistic if pre-warming the car on mains power in the morning and none or very little heating during the day.
So far I see no reason to install a 7.2kW charger at home for me as I rarely have less than 12 hours available for "granny cable" charge. This may change if I have 3 200+km days in a row... And even then, as per most Aussie families, I always have the second car (Subaru Outback) as backup.
The fast growing number of Tesla destination chargers work a charm too.

Questions:
Is there an app/website where I can see if a Tesla destination charger is available?
Cheers,
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