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Post by jonescg » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 17:35

I can't see why a car with 40 kWh on board should weigh much more than 1600 kg. With a nice efficient motor, you can easily get 300 km from this vehicle. Is it a waste of effort to lug 20 kWh worth of batteries around needlessly? Of course. But so is using a vehicle with 4WD, long range tanks, heavy duty bullbar and a snorkel to pick the kids up from school.

It will just be a matter of compromise, and meeting the expectations and capabilities somewhere in between. I think a charging network which allows the majority of today's EV drivers to get around is a bloody good start. Then we can get to a point where we can choose where we charge up on the open road.
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Post by PlanB » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 21:19

I like your idea of TrainChademo OffGrid, 600v DC already there in the centenary. So I guess the BetterPlace receiver owns all their defunct CHAdeMO chargers?

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Post by Johny » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 21:22

The Trams here in Melbourne are 600 VDC same as my car. People look at me strangely when I chuck the chain over the wires. Can't seem to get a decent return path to the tracks through my tyres though (it's a joke guys Image).

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Post by PlanB » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 21:37

I don't know what you're drinking lately, but I think I want some

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Post by weber » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 21:37

Johny, you just need a big piece of copper braid to drag along like a giant slot car.

PlanB, I'm guessing you mean "catenary", and according to this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_elect ... _Australia only Sydney and Melbourne use DC for their trains (1.5 kV DC). Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth use 25 kV AC (single phase).
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Post by Gabz » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 21:52

Tritium_James wrote: Probably even worse than you think - all those stations were put in by Better Place, require one of their cards to use, and probably aren't currently operational. Is there anyone nearby that could check?

I've checked it's dead it's a Schneider unit. it's across the road from MacDonalds and only a short distance from the F3 the location is fine!

Read the report on electric cars and there is another 3 "wastes" between Newcastle and Sydney too.
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Post by Adverse Effects » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 22:23

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Tritium_James wrote: Probably even worse than you think - all those stations were put in by Better Place, require one of their cards to use, and probably aren't currently operational. Is there anyone nearby that could check?

I've checked it's dead it's a Schneider unit. it's across the road from MacDonalds and only a short distance from the F3 the location is fine!

Read the report on electric cars and there is another 3 "wastes" between Newcastle and Sydney too.
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sounds like a situation waiting to be hacked LOL

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Post by PlanB » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 22:36

That would be the spell checker Dave, maybe dealerships are the way of the future?

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Post by weber » Thu, 24 Oct 2013, 22:56

PlanB wrote: That would be the spell checker Dave,
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maybe dealerships are the way of the future?

The way of the future of what? Fast charge points? But aren't dealerships usually in major cities, where we don't really need fast charge points? Australia being the archipelago that it is, (population-wise).
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Post by coulomb » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 00:05

weber wrote: But aren't dealerships usually in major cities, where we don't really need fast charge points?

There were car dealerships in Wyong, population 3116, so I think they're in every major town.
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Post by Gabz » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 00:11

the problem is the business case lets say installing a dc fast charge is $90k
$1 a day for electricity service charge.

how many customers would you need if you picked highish fast charge cost $10 a car ? (blink charged between $5-$8USD)

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Post by offgridQLD » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 00:21

Then you need to think about the small customer base of less than 1000 cars .It gets even worse when you consider how often that customer base will actually use the fast charger. If you only need it for long trips how often will you realistically use it.

The reality is most people are stuck at work Monday -Friday and if they are lucky once in while they will do a road trip when they have time.

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Post by weber » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 00:29

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weber wrote: But aren't dealerships usually in major cities, where we don't really need fast charge points?

There were car dealerships in Wyong, population 3116, so I think they're in every major town.

Good point. If you go to Nissan Australia's Find-a-Dealer page and type in a bogus postcode, like 0, it will show _all_ the Nissan dealers in Australia, then you can zoom in on your area of interest. I think you're onto something there PlanB. I hope they can figure out that they should start with the dealers just _outside_ the big cities. In fact Wyong Nissan would be a great place to start.

Presumably Nissan won't be too interested in charging Mitsubishi's and vice versa. The business case is fine. What they would be doing is making the buying of their EV more attractive to more people, and it would be a brand loyalty scheme.
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Post by weber » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 00:45

But I'm forgetting something. Nissan and Mitsubishi may have to start selling coffee, coke and burgers.
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Post by Gabz » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 00:50

weber wrote: But I'm forgetting something. Nissan and Mitsubishi may have to start selling coffee, coke and burgers.

All those mechanics who only service the EVs once a year will have to do something with the rest of the time. brake fluid burger anyone ?
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Post by jonescg » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 01:13

There is definitely no business case for fast charge units outside the city, or in. But there is no business case for public barbecues or public toilets either.

So don't think of them as a business case Image We're pushing for these to be installed as a public amenity, close to another amenity which does offer food/drink/movies/amusement. I can't see a need for as many charge stations as we currently have petrol stations, since 99% of your charging is done from home.

The first petrol station back in the 1900's probably went broke from lack of business, but the ones who followed sure didn't.

Think of this as one of the first steps on our way towards gas-free transport infrastructure. A good subtitle to it would be "travel on the right side of history" Image
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Post by Gabz » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 01:29

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Tritium_James wrote: Probably even worse than you think - all those stations were put in by Better Place, require one of their cards to use, and probably aren't currently operational. Is there anyone nearby that could check?

I've checked it's dead it's a Schneider unit. it's across the road from MacDonalds and only a short distance from the F3 the location is fine!

Read the report on electric cars and there is another 3 "wastes" between Newcastle and Sydney too.
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sounds like a situation waiting to be hacked LOL


Ok I've read the install manual http://download.schneider-electric.com/ ... B54439.pdf

Whenever your ready to commit a crime tell me ? maybe the AEVA should approach aus grid to see if we can run them now.

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Post by g4qber » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 01:49

the better place charger at phoenix holden seems to work with my RFID card.
one side kept on faulting though 1 year ago, probably not fixed.

will try to check other locations in Perth sometime.


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Post by coulomb » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 01:55

Gabz wrote: maybe the AEVA should approach aus grid to see if we can run them now.

I've had that thought. I'm sure between us we have the technical expertise to get them going again.

But there is probably more work in organising the business side - who pays for the electricity, who does the maintenance, who oversees the user database, etc etc.
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Post by Gabz » Fri, 25 Oct 2013, 16:28

There are two carparks at Westfield Hornsby, the larger one has a non-functional Better Place quickcharger on the roof.
Read more: ozleaf forum

Anyone seen the one at westfield tuggerah ?

just because better place is dead doesn't mean these won't work all you have to do is disable the rfid tag and a new sim card for monitoring...

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Post by PlanB » Sat, 26 Oct 2013, 04:00

So do we need a lawyer or a screwdriver or both to resurrect this better place legacy?

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Post by Feng » Sat, 26 Oct 2013, 07:06

Gabz wrote:
I've checked it's dead it's a Schneider unit. it's across the road from MacDonalds and only a short distance from the F3 the location is fine!


Is it completely off or does it display an out of order message? I spoke to a council officer about it a few months ago he said that if the emergency stop is tripped a technician has to come out to reset it but it might just be a matter of clearing the fault code.

I'm on the Ozleaf forum and we're meeting up at Hornsby this Sunday, I'm going to try to enter the faults screen and find out what's wrong with the one there. Still not much use for most of us without a RFID tag though.

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Post by g4qber » Sat, 26 Oct 2013, 08:56

rang 1800800246 support number. goes to chargepoint Australia.

checked Melville and city motors Holden. both still accept my rfid tag.
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Post by Gabz » Sat, 26 Oct 2013, 13:24

Feng wrote:
Gabz wrote:
I've checked it's dead it's a Schneider unit. it's across the road from MacDonalds and only a short distance from the F3 the location is fine!


Is it completely off or does it display an out of order message? I spoke to a council officer about it a few months ago he said that if the emergency stop is tripped a technician has to come out to reset it but it might just be a matter of clearing the fault code.

I'm on the Ozleaf forum and we're meeting up at Hornsby this Sunday, I'm going to try to enter the faults screen and find out what's wrong with the one there. Still not much use for most of us without a RFID tag though.


it was several months a go actually before I got the EV that i last checked and it was marked as out of service, but had power.

I'm thinking about coming down to shelly beach to say hello to you guys katrina is my mother in law

I've also sent a email to smart grid people who gave this reply.
The trial of electric vehicles and charging stations for the Smart Grid, Smart City trial has finished and there are no plans to reinstate the network built for the trial. The installation of the charging stations for the trial was only for the purpose of collecting data regarding user behaviour and charging information. The primary objective of this data was assessing the future impact of the rollout of Electric Vehicles on the electricity grid.
but they said the would check to see if they could tell me who currently owns it.

by the way please take some pictures of the hornsby or tuggerah one and add them to recargo so i can find them back.
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Post by Feng » Sat, 26 Oct 2013, 14:13

g4qber wrote: rang 1800800246 support number. goes to chargepoint Australia.

checked Melville and city motors Holden. both still accept my rfid tag.
There's no chance the BP charger will accept a Chargepoint tag is there? I'll have a swipe with my Chargepoint tag if I can clear the fault code tomorrow.

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