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Post by woody » Tue, 13 Jan 2009, 00:42

I started this thread so that those who want to debate it can do it here without polluting other threads.
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Post by Electrocycle » Tue, 13 Jan 2009, 03:14

I think global warming is good in winter, but bad in summer :)
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Post by acmotor » Tue, 13 Jan 2009, 08:01

Perhaps that is the problem ?
It might only be global warming for some. Image
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Post by zeva » Tue, 03 Feb 2009, 01:24

Scary stuff: http://climateprogress.org/2009/01/26/n ... ust-bowls/

And one of the best videos I've seen on the subject, which I encourage everyone to watch: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AE6Kdo1AQmY
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Post by acmotor » Tue, 03 Feb 2009, 05:53

Interesting vids.

...and all the specialists invoked fear in us about WMDs too !

Can't we just clean up our world without being threatened with something we don't understand like GW. Oh sorry, you understand it do you ? Image (parrot !)

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Post by weber » Mon, 04 May 2009, 02:47

Gary the Global Warming Goat knows just what to do with those dinosaur burners. Warning: Very little of the language in this video will not offend. Image
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Post by blue1128 » Mon, 15 Feb 2010, 23:29

This global warming should be a cause for alarm for all of us. We only have one planet to live on and that is our mother earth. One way to save our planet is by recycling.

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Post by carnut1100 » Sun, 09 May 2010, 05:09

Hmmmm....I've seen too much good argument from either side and too much complete bull from either side to be able to state that I know one way or another.
I have been interested in electric cars since long before I had heard of global warming, so it's not a factor for me.
I like efficiency, and I grew up in the country using tank water and living off the grid where the stove was powered by wood you had to chop or a gass bottle you had to lug out and refill and the lights were candles or kerosene, the radio was a car stereo powered by a car battery. I like the concept of efficient use of resources, recycling, and doing more with less energy. I don't give a rat's arse if global warming is real or not, but I am going to play with renewable energy and electric vehicles because they are damn cool!

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Post by marcopolo » Sun, 09 May 2010, 07:16

carnut1100 wrote: Hmmmm....I've seen too much good argument from either side and too much complete bull from either side to be able to state that I know one way or another.
I have been interested in electric cars since long before I had heard of global warming, so it's not a factor for me.
I like efficiency, and I grew up in the country using tank water and living off the grid where the stove was powered by wood you had to chop or a gass bottle you had to lug out and refill and the lights were candles or kerosene, the radio was a car stereo powered by a car battery. I like the concept of efficient use of resources, recycling, and doing more with less energy. I don't give a rat's arse if global warming is real or not, but I am going to play with renewable energy and electric vehicles because they are damn cool!
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Post by sliding shelve Miami » Wed, 02 Jun 2010, 21:21

I guess, global warming should be our main concern. To think, we can afford or at least our government can afford to switch to green energy, but i guess money talks and still wants to continue with fossil fuel, use of non biodegrable materials to allay expense etc etc. if we can just do our share, i mean 2 billion people just do something a day, it will definitely be a big thing.

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Post by Andrew » Thu, 03 Jun 2010, 06:52

Global warming is a scam. We do not have enough recorded weather history to make any assumptions. The only "warming" we get is hot air from politician's mouths. The earth has natural temperature cycles.

Some of you might think you're saving the planet by refusing plastic bags at shopping centres, while others like myself start up twin turbo V12 Diesel engines just for amusement purposes Image

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Post by juk » Thu, 03 Jun 2010, 07:17

Andrew wrote: Global warming is a scam. We do not have enough recorded weather history to make any assumptions.


Such assumptions like "global warming is a scam"?

If i believe your second premise i can't believe your first and vice versa, such is the nature of science.

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Post by Johny » Mon, 07 Jun 2010, 15:39

Andrew wrote:....while others like myself start up twin turbo V12 Diesel engines just for amusement purposes Image
You should save that story for your grandkids. They'll think it's funny too.

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Post by juk » Mon, 07 Jun 2010, 18:27

On the plus side, once comrade rudd has finished stuffing the economy and the AUD sits at about 50-60 cents to the USD, fuel will be $1.80-$2 a litre and you wont be able to afford to do such things for fun.

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Post by antiscab » Mon, 07 Jun 2010, 19:47

Johny wrote:
Andrew wrote:....while others like myself start up twin turbo V12 Diesel engines just for amusement purposes Image
You should save that story for your grandkids. They'll think it's funny too.


in general, your ability to pollute is dependant on how much money you have to spend.

over the course of your life, in general, the total amount of money you can spend is dependant on what you do with your disposable income earlier in life.

save all your money so you can go on to buy a big car and house (with borrowed money) and your impact is large.

spend all your disposable income early, and not have the borrowing capacity for a big house and car later, and your impact is smaller (more of your money goes to interest/rent than consumables)

spend all your money early on solar panels, windmills and EVs, and your spending capacity later is also reduced. this impact is the smallest.

so spending lotsa money now on powerful petrol guzzling cars is fine, as it will limit the damage you can do later.

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Post by Andrew » Mon, 07 Jun 2010, 21:10

Johny wrote:
Andrew wrote:....while others like myself start up twin turbo V12 Diesel engines just for amusement purposes Image
You should save that story for your grandkids. They'll think it's funny too.


Do you drive a petrol car? does your computer run from "green" energy?

Image I thought this was a Forum for electric vehicle enthusiasts, not for greenies!?!?

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Post by marcopolo » Tue, 08 Jun 2010, 22:22

Andrew wrote: Do you drive a petrol car? does your computer run from "green" energy? I thought this was a Forum for electric vehicle enthusiasts, not for greenies!?!?
We do love labels, don't we?

What is a defines a 'greenie'? I have some sympathy for Andrews point. The endless hypocritical sanctimonious,'I'm greener than Thou', posturing by members of the First Church of Global Warming, Ant-Capitalist, Anti-Human, Conspiracy worshipping Saints, would drive anyone to purchase the largest most powerful, wasteful auto available, and perform donuts on the Church lawn! .

No one likes to be preached at! My 16 year old daughter, when dining with two contemporaries who patronisingly criticised her choice of a chicken dish, citing trendy vegetarian twaddle, responded by informing the waiter she would like her chicken killed as cruelly as possible, to enhance the flavour!

That being said, it's obvious from the tragedy in the Gulf of Mexico that the age of unlimited cheap energy form oil is drawing to a close.

We must all adapt to new technologies, and conserve what resources remain during the transition.


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Post by bga » Tue, 22 Jun 2010, 18:07

Yes on the computer, it's solar powered from PVs, battery and inverter.
Working on the car and other energy issues.

David suzuki provides a good mantra: Think globally and act locally.

This grew a bit topsy, really should be two posts.

There's got to be a reason that we like EV's, and it's not because they're saving us money! Eventually everybody will want one.

I wonder then the the end of cheap oil will even be obvious to the Australian government, who for the most part, are contunuing to execute road building policies that were invented in the 1950's?

In 2007, I feel that we observed a taste of peak oil when oil prices spiked to $150/bbl, although the full effect wasn't seen because of the following global financial meltdown. What was unclear to me whether or not the oil price spike was a significant catalyst, since the market was rapidly heading for a crash with or without oil issues.

At present, the world consumes about 75M bbl/day, or about 4 cubic kilometres per year. This makes the GOM spill almost insignificant. It will be about 5M bbl (50k bbl/day * 100 days), or about 90 minutes of world consumption!

Despite the fact that there are hundreds of wells in the gulf, it has only slowed the decline in US domestic oil supply and delayed the effecive exhaustion of their oil resources by a year or two at most. The US dependency on the middle east continues to increase monotonically.

In the 1980's the OPEC quota war saw the middle east countries dramatically increae ther stated reserves to secure a greater share of the quota. It makes the true state of the middle east resource less clear. A sharp decline in supply from there may be nearer than we think.
Add to this the fact that oil demand is relatively inelastic, at least in the short to medium term, a small shortfall in supply will trigger a large increase in price, hence $200/bbl is likely.

I don't subscribe to the notion that the high price will result in vast new discoveries. The current search is resulting in deep water wells where the costs and risks in exctract the resource are high, its apparent that all of the easy oil has already been found.

It probably takes many years to achieve the structural changes that reduce dependency substantially. During this period, the supply will continue to decline, making it a moving target.

One troubling issue with a transition is the pervasive use of the word 'growth' (really 'exponential' growth) in all areas of society, this is not going to be easy.

Perhaps centrally planned command economies like China, will have the upper hand in this transition.

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Post by Squiggles » Tue, 22 Jun 2010, 20:08

I read an article yesterday that stated that Very Fast Trains were fast becoming a preferred mode of transport in Europe. To the point where some shorter air routes are just about extinct.

One significant issue mentioned was that the carbon footprint of the trains was about 1/4 that of equivalent air traffic and 1/8 of automobiles (forgot the actual figures but you get the idea).

The article also states that for trips of under 1500km the trains are cost competitive with aeroplanes.

Maybe our governments could learn something.....nah who am I kidding!

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Post by EV2Go » Wed, 23 Jun 2010, 04:01

I reckon stuff the planet, as long as I have a vehicle that excelerates faster than it's petrol equivilant I will be interested in EVs Image

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Post by AdamTorski » Sun, 29 Aug 2010, 05:45

I have an electric bike i love it, however i also dont really belive in this whole global warrming deal i just like to drove by a bike. I also drive my car and really i wouldnt mind if there were a little hoter. I personally thinkk that globall warming is really just a load... (you know of what)
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Post by acmotor » Sun, 29 Aug 2010, 15:44

antiscab wrote:
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in general, your ability to pollute is dependant on how much money you have to spend....

Matt


You did say 'in general' since what I see is the pollution of arrogance and oppulance (I think you refer to) and on the other hand, the pollution of the poorer who don't have the finances to reduce their polution. For instance, the most polluting vehicles on the road seem to be the >~15 y.o. bombs that are often poorly maintained, worn out and of older design and emission compliance in the first place. You know, the ford meteor with the smoke trail.
The point.... if Oz is wealthy then use the wealth wisely. That's not to say have a cash for clunkers drive. Have a cash for ICs to be replaced by EVs drive !

When the AEVA started in the 70's, air quality/pollution was a big issue (not CO2 and GW) and the eternal concerns of oil reserves and what countries will do for oil, all apart from the technical fun of EVs. Some of the younger generation are fortunate that vehicle exhaust pollution was addressed and emission standards / ULP introduced otherwise things would be even worse than they are today.   

edit: there is also an issue that the 3rd world countries will pollute more at this stage as they use old/basic technologies.
If you have the money then make the move yourself to be less wasteful and polluting.

I do agree that the GW bandwaggon has self harmed with the younger generation.
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