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Post by coulomb » Thu, 20 Jan 2011, 14:49

At AU$223K for the standard model with no extras, it's only a little more than twice the price in the USA! (Ok, I'm working on US$109K, which is probably obsolete).

Where is it written that "Australians are prepared to pay twice regular price"? Or is it the combination of taxes we have here? I guess luxury car tax is a chunk of the difference.
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Post by EV2Go » Thu, 20 Jan 2011, 15:24

At $223k I could afford that if I ordered it without the wheels, roof, bumpers, battery pack, motor, suspension, interior,...

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Post by Johny » Thu, 20 Jan 2011, 15:27

I wonder what it's worth 5 minutes after you drive it out their door.

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Post by evric » Thu, 20 Jan 2011, 15:30

... and before you drive it out the door - you have to insure it !
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Post by PlanB » Thu, 20 Jan 2011, 22:46

We should start a sweep on final price of the model S when it gets here. Greater than $A100k is my guess. You have to smile at 'gubmets' (as in "where from the gubment & we're here to help you"). Buy an electric car in California & you're a hero with a $7.5K rebate, in Oz put your hand in your pocket for the luxury car tax!

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Post by coulomb » Fri, 21 Jan 2011, 14:12

The "Own a Tesla" page at the top of the page is here:

https://www.teslamotors.com/own

You can drop down the country listbox and see what the base price for various countries is. Note that only Australia's is the "drive away" price, so that would include a lot of stuff that is optional or payable at purchase time (hidden costs).

Some results:

USA: USD 101.5K (includes USD 7.5K incentive, so USD 109K before that)
Canada: $125K (doesn't say what currency, but the Canadian dollar like ours is close to parity with the US$)
UK: £88K including VAT (~= AUD 142K inc VAT)
France, Germany, Finland: €84K + VAT (~= AUD 114K + VAT)
Switzerland: SFR 138K inc VAT (~= AUD 144K inc VAT)
Japan: ¥12,768K including taxes (~= AUD 156K inc taxes)
Fiji, other smaller countries: "Personally ship your Roadster to any location or provide your info and we will notify you when available for delivery in your market".

So there is still quite a substantial difference between Australia and other countries. Part of this is due to the various driveaway costs, but a big chunk has to be import duty (still not reduced to zero), GST, luxury car tax, and perhaps an even larger premium than on other countries to support a small market a long way from the country of manufacture.

[ Edit: added note on USA price re USD 7.5K incentive ]
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Post by coulomb » Fri, 21 Jan 2011, 14:30

At least we do better than Singapore:

Singapore: SGD 326K inc taxes, fees, incentives, but not COE (~= AUD 256K).

Maybe that includes shipping from Sydney or something (they also drive on the left).
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Post by antiscab » Fri, 21 Jan 2011, 14:53

cars in singapore are always expensive.

to put it in perspective,
the toyota corrola a friend was going to buy in Singapore costs $120'000

the singaporean government is trying to keep the roads relatively congestion free by taxing the hell outta private car ownership (or any car ownership).

reasonably effective actually.

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Post by PlanB » Fri, 21 Jan 2011, 15:48

What about 10 of us each cough up $23k each & buy one? Would we drive it or pull it to bits to see how it works?
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Post by marty11 » Sat, 22 Jan 2011, 16:21

I have ordered an S . I figured on USD 59,000, plus say 20K shipping and Australian tax. .so $80-90k Aud. Depends on exchange rate at the time

Any more than that, and I will get my deposit back. I know of another Tesla S that has been ordered , that may also change his mind if the S is too expensive, I feel that S buyers are a different price point customer to the roadster,and won't cop a huge price.. I for one will drop to a cheaper brand / less range etc if its out of reach financially. .we'll see.

I wish the federal government was more pro-electric cars, but cant see it happening, with regard to helping people import electric cars without tax, as an encouragement.

A roadster in Australia is ridiculously priced, and those prices will severely limit the uptake of teslas in Australia.

Same may happen to the S model. Time will tell.

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Post by evric » Sat, 22 Jan 2011, 18:02

Make sure that you have ordered a RH drive model.
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Post by PlanB » Sat, 05 Feb 2011, 17:01

Interesting (for me anyway)little presentation
http://www.apec-conf.org/2010/images/PD ... raubel.pdf
first time I've seen what their motor looks like. Sounds as though they run stuff pretty hot too.
Actually link seems dodgy for some reason? Just copy & paste instead

http://www.apec-conf.org/2010/images/PD ... raubel.pdf
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Post by PlanB » Sat, 05 Feb 2011, 21:23

The 900A peak phase current has me intrigued. The Tesla battery pack is 53kwH from 6831 commodity 18650 format cells. That's 53k/6831=7.76wH per cell and 7.76wH/3.6v=2.16AH Two & bit amp hour for 18650s of that vintage (circa 2008) is about right.
The pack format is 99s 69p that is 99x3.6=356v at 69x2.16=149AH. Now 900A phase current has to 1000+ amps battery current and 1000/149=7C discharge rate. I just can't get my head around that!? 18650 format cells have fairly high internal resistances (>100mR typically)that limit the discharge rate. How on earth do they get 15A out of a 2AH nominal cell?
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Post by antiscab » Sun, 06 Feb 2011, 00:10

they don't, the setup is battery limited.

Just means theres a good sized constant power region.

185kw is mechanically the limit, at 90%, thats 550A battery current, or 3.7C

additionally, the 53kwh is usable, not nominal capacity (~2.5Ah cells, not 2.2Ah).

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